What the fuck is going on? Criminals with drug addictions given compensation for the stress caused by the "cold turkey" tactics. Hamza saying deportation to his home country violates his human rights. Examples like this are plentiful but where were the human rights of the bankers exported to the US on fraud charges? Have we gone fucking mad? I mean surely these addicts benefitted from getting off drugs? Surely this was a step towards rehabilitation, at least from the point of view that they are no longer required to rob our homes to feed their habit?
Surely Hamza by coming to this country seeking refuge means he has to abide by our laws or risk exportation once he's served his sentence for violating those laws?
Perhaps stories where the Human rights act works doesn't sell newspapers so can anyone give examples where this act actually made things better for anyone?
Wednesday, November 15, 2006
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I don't have a perfect example of the human rights act working, but surely it's quite apparent that even in the examples you show there are counter arguments.
If I could show you there was a more humane way and less torturous way to get someone off drugs, then surely forcing them to go cold turkey is a form of torture?
And if Hamza is deported to a country with a history of abuse, torture, killings etc, are we really helping the world by having him deported there? Surely if he is evil we lock him up, if he isn't, we have an obligation not to punish him.
Of course the case of the bankers is interesting, but if you can prove that the USA is a dictatorship that uses torture on bankers then you could get them out on human rights issues.
You've missed the point, even if sometimes it seems extreme,
The right to privacy might come in usefull for stopping council tax enforcers getting into your house to see if you have altered it so they can charge you more.
"Article 8 offers general protection for a person’s private and family life, home and correspondence from arbitrary interference by the State"
I disagree Poxinfinite, there may be more humane ways of getting people off drugs just as private health care may have better methods of helping recovery after an operation, that doesn't mean the NHS has to offer it. They are in prison for a crime they committed. We can't spend money on long drawn out methods of getting people off drugs just because it may cause them a little more discomfort than cold turkey.
Thanks for the points however, about the positive uses of this law. What about Hamza and expediting people back to dodgy countries? Surely the people of this country's rights have to come first?
sorry this is a bit long but, it this lot does seem to be a pretty good set of guidelines...mayebe it will take us a while to make it work in practice?
==Universal Declaration of Human rights -
# When children are born, they are free and should be treated in the same way. They have reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a friendly manner.
# Every-one can claim the following rights, despite:
#* A different sex
#* A different skin colour
#* Speaking a different language
#* Thinking different things
#* Believing in another religion
#* Owing more or less
#* Being born in another social group
#* Coming from another country
#* It also make no difference whether the country you come from is independent or not.
# You have the right to live, and to live in freedom and safety.
# No-one has the right to treat you as his/her slave and you should not make anyone your slave.
# Nobody has the right to torture you.
# You should be legally protected in the same way everywhere, and like everyone else.
# The law is the same to everyone; it should be applied in the same way to all.
# You should be able to ask for legal help when the rights your country grants you are not respected.
# Nobody has the right to put you in prison, to keep you there, or to send you away from country unjustly, or without good reason.
# If you go on trial, this should be done in public. The people who try you should not let themselves be influenced by others.
# You should be innocent until it is proved that you are guilty. If you are accused of a crime, you should have the right to defend yourself. Nobody has the right to condemn you and punish you for something you have not done.
# You have the right to ask to be protected if someone tries to harm your good name, enter your house, open your letters, or bother you or your family without a good reason.
# You have the right to come and go as you wish within you country. You have the right to leave your country and go to another one, and you should be able to return to your country if you want.
# If someone hurts you, you have the right to go to another country and ask it to protect you. You lose this right if you have killed someone and if you yourself do not respect what is written here.
# You have the right to belong to a country and nobody can prevent you, without a good reason, from belonging to a country if you wish.
# As soon as a person is legally entitled, he or she has the right to marry and have a family. In doing this, neither the colour of your skin, the country you live in nor religion should be impediments. Men and women have the same rights when they are married and also when they are seperated. Nobody should force a person to marry. The government of your country should protect your family and it's members.
# You have the right to own things and nobody has the right to take these from you without good reason.
# You have the right to profess your religion freely, to change it and practise it either on your own or with other people.
# You have the right to think what you want, to say what you like and nobody should forbid you from doing so. You should be able to share your ideas also with people from your country.
# You have the right to organize peaceful meetings or to take part in meetings in a peaceful way. It is wrong to force someone to belong in a group.
# You have the right to take part in your country's political affairs either by belonging to the Government yourself or by choosing politicians with the same ideas as you. Governments should be voted for regularly and voting should be kept secret. You should get a right to vote and all voting should be equal. You also have the same right as everyone else.
# The society in which you live should help you develop and to make the most of all the advantages (culture, work, social, welfare) which are offered to you and all the men and women in your country.
# You have the right to work, to be free to choose your work, to get a salary that allows you to support your family. If a man and women do the same work they should get the same pay. All the people who work have the right to join together and defend their interests.
# Each work day should not be too long, as everyone has the right to take rests and should be able to take regular paid holidays.
# You have the same right to have whatever you need so that you and your family: do not fall ill or go hungry; have clothes and a house; and are helped if you are out of work, if you are ill, if your wife or husband is dead, or if you do not earn a living for any other reason you cannot help. The mother who is going to have a baby, and her baby should get special help. All children have the same rights, whether or not the mother is married.
# You have the right to go to school and everyone should go to school, primary school should be free. You should be able to learn a proffession or continue your studies as far as you wish. At school, you should be able to develop all your talents and you should be taught to get on with others, whatever their race, religion or country tehy come from. Your parents have the right to choose how and what you would be taught at school.
# You have the right to share in your communities' arts and sciences, and any good thing they do. Your works as a writer, artist or scientist should be protected, and you should be able to benifit from them.
# So that your rights will be 'respected', there must be an 'order' that can protect them. This 'order' should be local and worldwide.
# You have the duties towards the community within which your personality can only fully develop. The law guarantees human right. It should allow everyone to respect others and them to be respected themselves.
# In all parts of the world, no society, no human being, should take it upon him or himself to act in such a way as to destroy the rights in which you should be talking about.
The version you have just read is the human rights act in plain language and not the original.
The act itself is fine, its how the courts put it into practice thats fucked up.
It's like the American Constitution, it's being used for things it was never intended for.
There is also no way the European Court of Justice should have the final say over British courts. Unelected, corrupt, gravey train riding twats the lot of them including our fine representatives from such distinguised party's as UKIP.
Thats exactly why it was brought in:
As the 1997 white paper "Bringing Rights Home" stated: "It takes on average five years to get an action into the European Court of Human Rights once all domestic remedies have been exhausted; and it costs an average of £30,000. Bringing these rights home will mean that the British people will be able to argue for their rights in the British courts - without this inordinate delay and cost".
And if the British court finds against them they can still go to the European Court meaning twice the cost.
We need a smaller, slicker, fairer legal system. Not another layer of bloated, self serving, self justifying bureaucracy.
agreed
except then all the poor lawyers wouldnt get so much money...
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